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Muskegon Prepares to Vote on Controversial Ordinance that will Ban City Residents from Growing and Selling Vegetables

12/1/2014

 
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Muskegon is a food desert, yet is preparing to pass an ordinance that will refuse to allow city residents to grow and sell vegetables.  

Wayne Whitman from MDARD has agreed to attend a private meeting in Muskegon to discuss the proposed ordinance in the context of the Right to Farm Act at 2:30 pm on December 8th, with city staff and invited guests only.  The public will not be allowed to attend.

Joshua EldenBrady, resident of Muskegon, provides this overview:

Muskegon Hates Veggies Too
Joshua S. EldenBrady

Remember the headlines from Oak Park a few years back threatening a resident with jail for growing a vegetable garden in her yard?  “Oak Park Hates Veggies.”  Thankfully that is not the trend.  In recent years, cities across the state have been working to find a way to integrate urban farming as a new type of much need green space and cities across the country, some as large as San Francisco, are spending significant amount of money on tax credits to encourage property owners to keep some vacant lots as urban farms.

While legal hurdles exist, most cities have been working hard to encourage more green space and local food production.  Detroit is a prime example of a large city struggling with how to work with state law to craft a well formed local food policy.  Detroit spent several years carefully crafting an urban farming ordinance that welcomed local farms and gardens as a regulated use for many of the city’s numerous vacant properties.

It is this backdrop of progress that makes Muskegon Michigan stand in such sharp contrast.  In 2010, a group of citizens pushed for the city to formally allow community gardens (previously illegal) in the city.  This group worked with city staff to write a new ordinance.  The ordinance allowed for any individual or group of individual to grow produce anywhere in the city so long as certain conditions were met.  The version given to the work group encouraged those gardens to sell at the city farmers market.  Somewhere between a stakeholder meeting and the final version, that language was removed.

At the start of 2013, one large non-profit operations (McLaughlin Grows Urban Farm) existed in Muskegon selling produce through CSA shares and through several local venues.  During the year, one new operation (operated by individuals as sole proprietors) and one expanding operation (a community garden with new grant funding to sell door to door in a low income neighborhood) applied to the city for permits for new operations.  Suddenly the city government that had encouraged sales at the work group in 2010 took a very different tone. 

Since the language encouraging sales had been removed from the final version of the community gardening ordinance, the city said that no one was allowed to sell.  The Zoning Board of Appeals stated that they could not allow a farming operation because it might spread to other areas of the city and farming in the city was “unacceptable.”  The city management (staff and previous city manager) and legal counsel stated that the city would not even consider allowing urban farming of any kind because that was not the direction the city wanted to go and Right to Farm made it impossible.  A similar sentient was echoed in 2014 by the Planning Commission as well as by several members of the City Commission.

The truly bizarre part is the nature of the opposition.  Animals in urban farming have been a sticky issue for many cities and have held back progress.  This issue should have been resolved in April 2014 when the state changed Generally Accepted Agricultural Management Practices to make it clear that local governments can allow farming while still excluding animals.  But this isn’t even the issue in Muskegon where livestock was, in fact, allowed under the animal ordinance until it was outlawed (without discussion or any prior publication) in July of 2014.  Rather the issue is a city whose staff views the growing of produce as a blight.  A view shared by many on the Commission and the Planning Commission who have lamented that if they allow gardens to sell, then there might be more gardens and that would destroy residential neighborhoods.

That might be the end of the story, but faced with several powerful local non-profits (including that urban farm that is still selling CSA shares and is a project of the spouse of a member of the city commission), city staff are now willing to try and accommodate the non-profit gardens.  As a result, two version of a new city ordinance for community gardens and urban farms were brought to the Planning Commission (one which allowed sales and one which allowed “donations in exchange for produce” only for non-profits).  The Planning Commission refused to even vote to forward the issue to the City Commission hoping instead to kill the issue and prevent the blight of gardening from spreading.

The issue was brought back to the City Commission, which wanted input on the effect of Michigan’s Right to Farm Act from the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development.  That would have been a positive step forward since the fear of Right To Farm was one of the impediments to the city moving forward.  (The vice mayor insinuated that Right To Farm would have allowed crop dusters and bird shooting ranges anywhere in the city [ignoring the fact that neither operation could possibly comply with the GAAMPs given the city’s population density, FAA jurisdiction, and a specific state law allowing the city to prohibit the discharge of firearms making those two things impossible and, frankly, ludicrous]).

Unfortunately, while Wayne Whitman from MDARD was willing to talk to the city, he has refused to speak at an open meeting instead requiring a closed invite-only meeting.  It is unclear why MDARD would refuse to inform a city government at a public meeting on a law that they are charged with administering, but it would certainly appear that they do not want to own their interpretation and be held accountable for it.

So as of today, Muskegon (which just four years ago was poised to allow urban farming of produce anywhere in the entire city) allows almost nothing.  You can grow, but you had better be able to eat it or gift it all since you cannot sell it, not even at the brand new $4,000,000 city farmers market.  Worse, this is not even something that most of the city government appears to want to change.  Instead, much of the city government views growing plants as a blight, as something that they would do away with entirely if they could, and while they are willing to discuss changes with local non-profits behind closed doors it has been made clear that citizen gardens are not wanted and that growing food is only for the moneyed organizations (especially those with personal connections to the city commission) and not for the the citizens.  It appears at least for now that Muskegon hates veggies too.

Note that an update to this post was published on December 29th, 2014.

Belinda Fitzpatrick
12/2/2014 04:28:09 am

One positive thing about this is it is raising awareness and challenging values to be reassessed. 40 years ago in Dearborn Heights they made our neighbor Mr. Mac get rid of his pet rooster that used to run around his front yard. This imposing of "city slicker" values is nothing new. I am glad to see more and more people challenge the people who are sticking their nose in their business. My favorite book is "It ain't anybody's business if you do.". It is some kind of OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder when a neighbor is obsessed with what someone else is doing in their yard. It deserves a DSM code.

Paul B.
12/7/2014 01:30:25 am

The analogy is people having yard sales to get rid of excess. Doing so does not impact Walmart. Selling your excess veggies does not impact Meijers, The horticultural therapy of growing and harvesting makes (well documented) for more peace. Absolutely wrong message city of Muskegon. Citizens referendum and or ballot box will with out doubt follow, save the stupidity and have an open meeting and common sense. Do everything you can to nurture self sufficiency and micro entrepreneurialism. Seeds of hope grow strong futures. Absolutely insane calling cultivated plants blight.

ed mondo
12/29/2014 10:13:21 am

i completely agree

John Zohn
12/31/2014 10:01:56 am

Yes they need to organize and produce a slogan like "no more big government". Big government is something that Republicans and The tea baggers provide a lot of lip service too, but only when it reduces regulations for big corporations. This ordinance is exactly what big government is, policy's that support giant corporations and make everyone else subservient to those corporations. I hope some day people can make a distinction between corporate big government and the big government that media outlets like Fox News spew about that regulate corporations to protect consumer, employee and environmental protections.

King Umbarrii
12/31/2014 10:58:12 am

If you control the food and you control the medicine and you control water and you control the language and you control guns you control the people.
That is exactly what this is all about. Control.

Rebekka
12/29/2014 11:01:40 am

While I agree generally speaking, I'd be pretty annoyed if my neighbours had a rooster running around the front yard. Front yards are not sound proof, and roosters make a LOT of noise. Couldn't care less if they have chickens or a veggie patch though.

Sharon T
1/3/2015 04:02:34 am

Rebekka, you sure don't want or need to come to Key West. Beautiful roosters everywhere. AND there is a law against harming them. Conchs and those of us who are frequent visitors there appreciate their unique beauty and history. Live and let live.

Katie G.
12/29/2014 01:46:10 pm

It's very much a control issue, imposed by people who are too far removed from nature and our agrarian roots. They wish to have a sterile, synthetic environment that looks like the airbrushed photos on the covers of upscale home magazines. A vegetable garden that is less than a Martha Stewart design award winning landscape, does not fit in with their delusions. And chickens? Forgetaboutit! They associate chickens with thatch-roofed huts in the villages of developing countries. It's unfortunate, but that how it is. Education of children from the get-go is the key to reversing this troubling and detrimental trend.

Daniel Prendergast
12/30/2014 05:03:11 am

How can you look at this in a positive way? Now you will be forced to eat the poisons that they sell, and cannot feed yourself organic foods!

Michael Pierce link
1/1/2015 05:06:31 am

Agreed. This appears to be a micro step in a macro movement of controlling people. It's about our rights disappearing one at a time. We need to get off our butts and vote politicians out of office that are drunk with power and monewy. We need to thumb our noses to poliyical correctness while still being polite and considerate to others. We need to get America back on it's knees (starting with us) pray to God in Jesus name without shame or reserve.

Ella fitzbag
12/31/2014 02:36:39 am

It's probably driven by the likes of Wal-mart and other chain grocers who want ALL food sales and food stamps.

Rann Xeroxx
1/1/2015 08:57:51 am

Why would Walmart care, they will be the ones selling garden equipment and such. And if people buy less produce, they simply move the space and sell other things people want.

Lawrence O. Spataro
12/2/2014 01:48:05 pm

The above is a highly inaccurate posting. The City of Muskegon is actually only a small part of the shaded area, and it not only has a supermarket within the city (a Sav -a-Lot) and a large regional downtown famers market, but is served by 2 Plumbs stores, 2 WalMarts, a Meijer, and an Aldi's that in three cases are across the street from City neighborhoods. The City of Muskegon is hardly a "food desert."

Under current City Ordinance, private produce gardens are allowed and community gardens are allowed and encouraged. The City does not allow livestock of any kind, nor the sale of produce grown in the City.

The issue misrepresented in the above post boils down to the desire of 2 current community gardens to sell their produce commercially. In addition Mr. Eldenbrady desires to commercially farm within the City. At this point the City Planning Commission has decided not to take up the issue of commercial sales, because of a desire to avoid becoming subject to the Right to Farm Act, the need to protect residents of what are densely populated neighborhoods from commercial activity, and a concern that allowing community gardens that do not pay taxes to compete with the local commercial farmers already selling their produce in the City would be unfair to the farmers.

Lawrence O Spataro, Vice-Mayor City of Muskegon

Scott Henley
12/5/2014 02:42:33 pm

Mr. Spataro,
Your comments, while valid, are selective at best. To say the "City" is served by Sav-a-Lot, Plumb's and Walmart, Meijer or Aldi. When you look at the City, you find that the majority of the population and what people consider to be the City of Muskegon, there is nothing for them. Walmart is on the fringe of Muskegon, as is Aldi. Meijer is not at all in the city. Now, I do not necessarily support the sale of the produce grown. I feel that if someone wishes to have a small garden; or a few garden beds to help raise their own food, this should not be an issue for the city, so long as this is done in a tasteful and organized manner. They should not be selling to neighbors for sure. I am aware that there are a couple larger operations, as mentioned in the article, who wish to sell at the Farmer's Market. This is something that should be addressed, because there should be regulation as to who sells produce, and there does need to be quality and safety concerns addressed. But to say there is not a lack of food provided to the community as a whole, you are the one who is wrong. I am disabled and unable to drive. So, even getting to these markets is a challenge. I do not live in the city, but in North Muskegon. I have raised beds in my yard in order to provide food for my family and not to sell. I think if the community has a need for fresh produce, they should be allowed to address this for their families...

shesh link
12/7/2014 06:12:15 am

this should not even be an issue!! we should be able to grow our own food and sell it. with the economy the way it is. even if th economy was better, nazi dictators shoud not be able to co













this should not be an issue!! we should all be able to grow our own food without anyone butting in and taking control. we should be able to live off the earth, no matter how many food stores are available. this is nonsense.



ed mondo
12/29/2014 10:15:56 am

stopping people form being self sustaining in the most peaceful and un harmful way is insanity. greedy, corrupt agencies are the cause of this. please dont be foolish enough to think this vote is right and proper

Amanda
12/30/2014 02:00:28 am

Why should selling be an issue??? Are you okay with neighbors having yardsales for their excess clothes? Are you okay with crafters selling their excess pottery??

Adm
12/7/2014 12:00:43 am

the city might want to look into the case from the last few years that went on in Richland Michigan, to save themselves some money, and so that they don't get ridiculed for not doing some research..

Peggy
12/7/2014 05:19:42 am

I am not usually part of the city political scene, but I feel the need to respond to this comment. I work for a local non-profit that runs a food pantry that is open on a walk-in basis 5 days per week. Approximately 50% of our clientele reside in the city of Muskegon and I hear on a daily basis how hard it is for these individuals to access grocery stores when they are without transportation (as are many of the low income residents of our city). These residents tend to shop at local gas station/mini marts.

Aldi's may or may not be in the city of Muskegon (I am not sure) but I'm pretty sure the rest of these stores listed are not. The Plumbs stores are located in Muskegon Township and Norton Shores if I am not mistaken. The Walmarts are located in Fruitport Township and Norton Shores. The Meijers (Norton Ave) is located in Norton Shores. Some of them may be located across the street from city neighborhoods, but that does nothing for the areas of the city with no grocery store access such as Downtown Muskegon, and the Nelson Neighborhood area for example. I suppose the argument could be made for Downtown Muskegon residents to access the new multi-million dollar Farmers Market as mentioned above, but the residents I see can't afford to shop there (it is definitely nice but also a destination site drawing middle and upper income shoppers from outlying areas of the county)

These local neighborhood gardens in question offer access to fresh vegetables (at an affordable price) that many residents wouldn't otherwise have. There is also a non-profit "veggie van" that is available at many sites around the county and my clients absolutely love it. It stops weekly at a local community health center, and several senior apartment complexes among other sites in the area (hopefully it will be allowed to continue to bring fresh veggies to these neighborhoods)

Lastly, how can a living, growing garden be considered a blight when the City of Muskegon is full of empty boarded up property's. A garden is a much better cityscape than these unsightly buildings or empty lots.

Miranda
12/7/2014 02:55:20 pm

I agree with 99% of what you are saying and Am outraged by what is going on, but would like to point out that the farmers market does do Double up Bucks on Food Stamps, so it is definitely affordable to low income families. I don't get food Stamps but live on a very tight budget and I find a way to make sure I get my Fresh Fruits and Veggies. Alot of the farmers are willing to work with you on their prices. Especially If you are a regular customer. HOWEVER, unfortunately the Farmers Market is not exactly easily accessible to people without transportation either. I simply do not understand the Logic behind any of this. I am outraged and ready to start researching what I have to do to fight this. If we, the city of Muskegon, stands up against this we can win this battle. Not allowing people to grow and Sell food is ridiculous. I wonder who is paying them off. Walmart or Meijers.

alyssa
12/29/2014 02:13:50 pm

Very good point about providing access to affordable, fresh, healthy produce to people who truly need it! I am sure that is not much of a concern for the local government officials since they are apparently under the impression that there are lots of easily accessible stores available to people within the city...

Gert
12/30/2014 04:10:36 am

Produce isn't taxed....

Leon
1/8/2015 05:30:02 am

So it's all about taxes the city wouldn't generate then is why there's no support. Enteresting

Wendy Lockwood Banka
12/3/2014 12:57:57 am

Mr. Spataro, no local government in Michigan has the authority to determine whether or not it is subject to the Michigan Right to Farm Act. The RTF is a state law that protects every citizen who has a farm operation that is commercial and that conforms with applicable GAAMPs, regardless of local regulations.

So that is the legal argument. There are others. One is that there are people in poverty living in Muskegon who cannot access fresh food, AND cannot afford to purchase land in outlying areas to grow their own. Why would Muskegon want to erect impediments to them growing or selling fresh vegetables?

Or, if you want to back up and look at the entire food system in Michigan, you can see that right now CAFOs feed their animals large amounts of antibiotics, then keep tens of millions of gallons of that drug-laced manure stored in lagoons, and then eventually spray that manure on fields that don't require it, where it drains into our waters. Do you really want this kind of farming protected by our state laws, but not the kind of local, small-scale farming that people can do where they live? MDARD hopes you say yes, but I think the people of Muskegon would say otherwise.

Wendy Lockwood Banka

Todd Radel
12/6/2014 06:46:00 am

For Money.

Joshua S. EldenBrady
12/3/2014 03:21:22 am

There is a Save-A-Lot in Muskegon and a Plumbs right across the road (both on Sherman on the West side of town) that are reflected by the large white area on the map right above the label for the City of Roosevelt Park. The Meijer and Walmart on Henry St are close to a 1/4 mile outside the city; the Walmart on East Sherman is across from a business park and nowhere near any Muskegon Residential neighborhoods; and the Plumbs on Apple is outside of town and across the expressway. Except for Plumbs on West Sherman, none of them are anywhere near residential areas in Muskegon of Muskegon Heights and none serve Muskegon residents without vehicles. The map is from U.S. Census Bureau data and based on federal definitions and guidelines for food deserts, guidelines that are nationally accepted and based on hard data.

Morning Bear link
12/4/2014 01:18:20 am

Dear Mr Spataro,

I find you reference to non profits selling at the new Muskegon Farmers Market, spear headed by non profits who raise the funds to build it, rather odd. Non profits have been selling at Muskegon Farmers Market for years, at the old location and the new. Plus legalizing sales would bring much needed revenue to the city as in city wage tax and so on. You can not pick and chose who you like and who you do not for freedoms in a democratic society. Muskegon Urban Farms should have the same rights as others. Your claim of the only two being non profit is because the city has made it impossible for a free market to exist where an urban farm can be independently owned.

we canot do anything I thought this was a free country if it is were did it go your not allowed to do this or that then you wonder why there so much crime going on if its there property they should be able to do what they want
12/5/2014 09:31:24 am

Bonnie Fox
12/5/2014 09:20:03 pm

Hi Mr Spataro - why not let the residents decide? Why wouldn't our city want more fresh produce? Who cares if they own the land?

Cindy
12/6/2014 12:49:42 am

Surely having a private meeting (especially where there is great interest) is a violation of the Open Meetings Act. Mr. Sparto what are you afraid of, citizens voicing their opinions, individuals being self reliant? Your arguments regarding the grocery stores being accessible are nonsense to poor folks who do not have a vehicle. Yes, there is public transportation. When is the last time you rode MATS to go grocery shopping? For the elderly and parents with young children who can't afford a sitter this is a monumental task. You better trying walking in the shoes of those in need! This City can co-habitat w/ new downtown development and some urban gardens!!! Wake up and smell the fresh grown produce.

LLLuke
12/11/2014 04:52:26 am

Cindy,
Your point is one of the most important. Tyranny occurs at all levels of government when we won't stand up and remind them of their limited powers. Many governments are displaying this unconscionable superiority, and leaders have forgotten that they serve the will of the people. That is our fault for not reigning them in. We have no excuse if we do not act.

Hannah
12/6/2014 01:16:15 am

This is no longer a free country. Something needs to happen, because this is beyond ridiculous. I don't even feel safe, let alone free here and now my rights are being taken away even more.

Lynn DeVlieg
12/6/2014 03:35:43 am

“Solutions will only be successful if they break with past thinking and more effectively empower communities and broader civil society to mobilize enlightened activity for more socially and environmentally acceptable outcomes.” ~ Sherwood, Cole, Crissman & Paredes; From Pesticides to People

Reogirl
12/6/2014 04:17:29 am

Mr. Sparto, we do not live in a dictatorship. Muskegon City does want it wants with no votes and no voice can be heard by the people for the people. You want to run everybody out of town with your silly laws and rules. This has made me decide not to shop at the new Farmers Market, I will take my business elsewhere. Muskegon City Commission is just an Organized Crime Unit that wants to control like the Mafia. They make up rules, laws with no votes from the people who live in the City. You could not pay me enough to live in the City of Muskegon and its just sad. If Muskegon's founding fathers could see the city today they would be greatly disappointed in the fact Muskegon wants to run like a Mafia. Heaven forbid you grow a tomato or a head of lettuce.

shawn
12/7/2014 12:29:40 am

To suggest that every time a decision is made at the local government level there needs to be a vote is crazy. They would be spending thousands on paying city employees and printing ballots, then you would complain about that. The people you are complaining about were voted in office to represent you. If you do not like the way they are representing the city either run for office yourself or vote for someone else when the time comes. As for the gardens, it was said that a family is allowed to grow food for their own consumption as it should be. If they have extra... they should be able to sell it at the farmers market and be taxed like all the farmers. What's wrong with that? As for the city's point on what the garden would make the city look like...lol are you kidding me? Have they looked out the windows of city hall? Have they gotten in their cars and driven around the city limits? A green garden would be a massive improvement to what some of those neighborhoods look like.

Todd Radel
12/6/2014 06:49:52 am

The day you pay the taxes on my land will be the day you dictate what happens on it.

Diane McClellan (Potts) [email protected]
12/6/2014 07:24:59 am

WTF?

Bob Kaul
12/6/2014 11:17:08 am

this is evidence that drawing a government paycheck destroys brain cells

Sharon Martin
12/30/2014 02:06:18 pm

I'm still trying to imagine a vegetable garden that can "bring down the neighborhood!" And just imagine all of the big cities in the world working at plans to bring more produce and fresh fruit, meat and eggs into their urban areas, setting up Green Trusts around and thru their cities, think how silly they will feel when the little gardens lower the boom! Did anyone ever hear the term "Victory Gardens?"It was once part of a patriotic war movement, to supply more food to America, and our troups. Presidents endorsed it and it worked very nicely. No neighborhoods fell.

Brian Phipps
12/6/2014 02:58:16 pm

If this city really wanted to earn some new revenues let's start making parents responsible for their children and enforcing curfew with a $10 fine on the parent not only would you make a ton of money right away but you would also lower the crime by at least 30% and let's talk about other things how about jaywalking down the middle of the streets then we can make enough money to actually have enough officers to cover the entire city. These are more important things than what I grow in my yard

mike
12/6/2014 03:15:07 pm

Mr spataro i have lived within the city limits of muskegon for twenty five years .and since i bought my home twenty five years ago i have had a garden on and off as health permits .during that time i have seen this city make decisions against the will of the very citizens that elected them. Underhanded dbackroom deals that only benefited the well off and the people on the commission.dont you think its time the commission starts listening to the people youd ont own this city the people do if i choose to sell food from my garden i will take it elsewhere to do so and the city doesnt have to get their cut as in stall fees . You at the farmers market no one wanted to move but the city commission and their moneyed friends.

David Erickson
12/7/2014 01:29:08 am

We have planned to put in a small vegetable garden for a while now and simply not gotten around to it.
Thank you for the incentive to move forward with the project.
There comes a time when civil disobedience becomes imperative. With federal government over-reach in the news almost daily, maybe it's time to say "no" to city over-reach.
In a time when it is legal to home grow marijuna why shouldn't I be able to grow a tomato? Ridiculous!
Why doesn't the city keep it's citizenry from openly walking down the middle of the street (rather than the perfectly good sidewalk provided) rather than trying to keep good people from growing their own produce. When the government gets done what it should be doing - only then should it try to justify what it shouldn't be doing.
We will have a vegetable garden in the Spring and it will be visible from the street.
I am a law abiding citizen, but this is just too ridiculous!

Toni Roberts
12/7/2014 01:40:21 am

I think being able to sell produce is a better way for poor people to make money than selling drugs, don't you? All you have to do is ban heavy farming equipment. There isn't enough land in the city to put the market's farmers out of business.

S
12/7/2014 02:40:24 am

Mr Vice Mayor
Why is it closed to the public? What do you have to hide? What is your agenda? Who is benefiting from this? Who's pockets are getting lined?
Why are you so defensive that you had to post here?
don't you get that people are tired of having poisons forced down their throat and would prefer a healthier way to feed themselves?
You know, the way people used to eat!

Tom Spring
12/7/2014 02:53:32 am

Remember when people did things just because they were supposed to be done? Remember when people would help their neighbor eat because people need to eat or they would die? What's with all this incentive crap? Money is nothing but paper, the only value it has is whatever our stupid little imaginations put on it and that is all that it means. No other living being on this entire planet sees any value in that paper except for us. We are now a people who almost refuse to do anything for anyone but ourselves unless those others are willing to give us paper. That's just sick, we're all sick. We're a virus on this earth and as much as my soul cries out against what we've become, the other half of me is praying for the lights to go out so this planet can keep on going without us raping it anymore.
Let people grow plants for crying out loud. Does it make your anus bleed? Did your testicles fall off? Are all your future generations going to have purple hair and 86 arms because someone put a seed in the ground? Rinse the sand out of your clams before we drown in all the pearls you lay before the swine. And no one else sees this, the beauty of society, lol. Good game...good game.

Joshua EldenBrady
12/7/2014 05:44:23 am

Update. The commission will be voting on Tues the 9th to double plan review fees. So while it cost $30 for a development permit to build a fence or a shed at you house, the city will be charging a $200 fee to anyone who wants to grow vegetables or flowers on a lot other than the one their home is one. (with a possible $400 fee if you are building garden boxes or other things that they consider major) Because of self contradictory language in the ordinances they are proposing, there is a possibility that this fee could apply to home gardeners as well.

Joshua EldenBrady
12/7/2014 07:12:25 am

City commission work session is Mon the 8th at 5:30 and regular meeting is Tue the 9th at the same time. They are public and have time for public comment. Please show up and let your voice be heard.

jay
12/7/2014 07:39:58 am

Fife
12/7/2014 04:51:26 pm

Larry,

Let me remind you that that Nelson Neighborhood, in general, is a blight! On my block alone, there are 3 empty NONBUILDABLE lots. We have no quick access to the stores you mentioned. There is ONE despicable store in the area - Gov's, on Third St. I'm not sure its safe to go there, anymore. Things are so bad here that Pizza Hut won't deliver after 5 pm. You call this progress?? Wake up and smell the coffee, please!

Jon
12/7/2014 11:17:47 pm

First things first, I seriously question the reading comprehension of 90% of the people who commented here. Where does it say that one can't have a personal garden? Just plant it and stop complaining that the big bad City won't let you have a garden, that's not the issue here. The issue is whether or not allowing the straight up sale of produce creates issues for a working farm under the Right to Farm Act. I think the City should continue to carefully consider this. It's my understanding that the Right to Farm Act was passed after residential developments started taking over farmland. The remaining farms didn't want to suffer the consequences when someone in a new rural development complains about normal farming practices creating a nuisance for them, like the smell of spreading manure.
So it's my understanding that the City is now concerned about the opposite. How do you protect the existing residents and dense urban residential uses if proposed farms start creating a nuisance? If you allow commercial urban farming, is it then protected under the Right to Farm Act? I feel like there are some unsavory generally accepted farming practices that have no business in a residential setting. Would those be protected under the Right to Farm Act if you have a commercial farm operating in a residential zone? Are there separate GAAMPs related to urban farming? These are all questions I'd like to have answered, and maybe they will be at the meeting tonight. Hopefully you can all make it and find out.

Rhonda Brosco link
12/8/2014 02:05:38 am

Muskegon has little to offer as jobs are concerned, we have raised 4 children in Muskegon, often going through hard times because of the job situation, meaning my husband often was laid off, and jobs not available. Through out the years, we would plant a garden and sell the produce as extra income to buy school clothes for our children, we often let our children run the sale, the little bit we made, we gave back to the city because we would buy things and clothing our children needed for attending school! We had to buy the seeds and plants from existing flower shops, producing business for them also! Muskegon is hit hard by the job situation, the big stores need to realize that the little bit families make off produce often goes right back into their business! Banning people from selling produce from small gardens is so wrong, its extra income for people who need it to get by. We still grow a vegetable garden every year to use the money for myself and my husband to be able to afford a small vacation each year. We struggle financially because he has to drive to Holland everyday for work, as many people in Muskegon travel to jobs out of town. The money also helps us out with gas, for the distance he has to travel to get back and forth to his job! This is wrong to take from those of us who try to make ends meet with a little extra help from a garden! You will also be hurting the people who sell the vegetable plants, because people will buy less from them! Trying to stop people from selling a little produce at a roadside stand is just wrong, they don't make that much, and it helps people to get by for extras they need! I am saddened that the stores and city would do such a thing, Greed has taken over Muskegon so much as it is! Please don't allow this to happen, it would do more harm than good!

Ashley Boelens
12/8/2014 03:35:04 am

Muskegon officials should be ashamed of themselves

ADM
12/8/2014 09:56:51 am

Jon, you mentioned "hopefully these questions will be answered at the meeting.... hopefully you can all make it".... what part did you not see about this being a "private meeting" violating the "open meetings" act?

fuck off
12/8/2014 06:08:56 pm

This is quite ridiculous we live in america

Just Beth
12/9/2014 01:19:05 am

“If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law”
― Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience and Other Essays

MIk
12/29/2014 10:56:17 am

So the headline is a bit misleading, its not about "not growing veggies" but in fact selling them on after you have grown them. The council are not stopping people from growing and eating the produce. You could just start up a veggie swap market where people turn up to swap for other goods of a produce they have too much of without any money exchanging hands.

Pat Dunham
12/29/2014 11:02:47 am

What kind of scumbags do you people have that are championing this kind of crap?

gonzog
12/29/2014 01:38:41 pm

That means they are continuing the process of removing all forms of self sufficiency. THEN when to many of us grow restive and uncooperative, they need only cut off our food supply and starve us into submission, or until we can never be a problem again.

Eve Krzeczkowski
12/29/2014 02:30:59 pm

I like buying fresh Veggies from the garden, if people are selling it. People want gardens to get the fresh veggies and get way more than planted, it should not bother anyone. This is just another thing, trying to control peoples lives.

Chezron
12/29/2014 04:49:00 pm

This is just a sad state of affairs to even be considering such a ridiculous ban in a country founded on freedom.

Gerry Donaldson
12/29/2014 10:38:48 pm

I do not understand how growing food and selling it will damage a community. So often we here people advocating that others be self sufficient, but his seems to say one can't do that by growing food.

JWAlef
12/30/2014 01:05:52 am

Wow, we're looking to relocate and were considering the Muskegon area. If this is the caliber of representation, closed meetings and backroom deals against self-sufficiency and food autonomy government appears to be diametrically opposed to what we seek. We will narrow our search by excluding the area. Pity.

Holly Young
12/30/2014 02:00:25 am

I find this situation is be very sad. I live in Illinois, raise chickens on a city lot, and sell their eggs to neighbors. I also grow vegetables and have sold them when I had an abundance. In a good summer, I have made enough to pay for chicken food and seeds. I am not bringing in huge profits! I am like many Americans who are on a tight budget. Very tight! Having access to vegetables and eggs stretches my food budget greatly while providing good nutrition for my family. Many people do not have the money to purchase food after paying for shelter. Perhaps, the city does not want to hear about the resourcefulness of their citizens. Wild foraging, accessing farmer's market's, and buying from individual's gardens are often the difference between having fresh produce or not . Why hamper that? A proactive city government would be placing land before the people to create gardens for food and a sense of community.

Ex-USSA resident
12/30/2014 03:35:09 am

Government’s war on peasants —by Lenin’s definition “petty bourgeoisie” who cling to their land and “opium of the masses,” i.e. religion.

I’m telling you again. This is a communists ‘strategy: 1. to expropriate people’s property and their ability to produce food on their own land as their own property; 2. to transfer food production under government control (kolkhoz, sovkhoz, or ...how do they named it here?—“factory farms”)with one and only purpose—to control “masses;” 3. Impose on the population famine and then... CHECK MATE...

judy holt
12/30/2014 10:44:55 am

for sure!

RHytonen
1/1/2015 03:47:13 am

That argument ("communism") would only be true if communism and totalitarianism were synonymous - and if this was a society where government had more power than industry.
Since that's not true here, and government is actually owned and controlled solely by, and protects, large industry- instead of the individual; the technical term you're looking for, is FASCISM - the merger of government and industry power, as defined by its inventor, Benito Mussolini..
There are corporations who do not want people growing their own food, or earning by a personal business without borrwing - ie, not reliant on capitalism (banks, finance, Usury.)
Observe - and think.

RHytonen
1/1/2015 04:22:59 am

That's exactly it, They're protecting GMO'd high profit, low safety, factory "food" product.

Do we need ANY more proof this has become a fascist country?
Government is protecting business profits instead of its original role - protecting the individual on whom business preys.
And scapegoating (racism/"immigration"/Islam;) along with overblown (and misplaced) patriotism and religion,
and fear (giving up rights to counteract "terrorrism")-
are all hallmarks of the fascist regimes of history.
Remember, where the definitin of Fascism is an individual dictator nor per se totalitarianism required. Thse are only some of the possible results or mechanisms. The ROOT CAUSE is corporate rule defeating democracy - and that, we absolutely have.
Once the oppressors control the laws, there is no "legal" way to remove them.

K. Howland
12/30/2014 06:22:24 am

Well... now THERE is a forward-thinking city with it's thumb on the pulse of America! So, to be a Muskegon city official do you need to prove you are mentally challenged, or will they just take your word for it?

Jean
12/30/2014 09:34:54 am

Growing up in Livonia, MI we had a big garden and it sustained us and extended family all year. To deny people this basic right to have city gardens is ridiculous. It's why I also refuse to live in a community with home owners association. These control freaks are destroying our freedoms and making us hate our neighbors.
Michiganders used to have common sense. Obviously that has changed. We had thought about moving back, but no thank you, I like my freedom.

Judy Holt link
12/30/2014 10:43:58 am

Have had enough of this kind of stuff. Grow anything - even weeds. People are getting too weird for me anymore.

Tim Hunter
12/31/2014 12:21:18 am

Muskegon is a blight city. It is a hollow shell with no redeeming qualities. Lake Muskegon is very unattractive. This should be a tourest town with many amenities. Tourists love to try the locally grown stuff. Wow just another failure

ian
12/31/2014 03:50:22 am

All that it takes is everyone to stand up and say that's enough and do what's right it's not about money it's about power it's about class the haves and the have nots this country is so divided on everything that we will never regain control until unified
United we stand
Divided we fall
And they depend on the latter

Michael Bentley
12/31/2014 04:20:07 am

I may be confused but, does one have to own the property to plant a garden? If it's city property, can't the access to multiple lots be controled by the city already? And what about non-profits, such as food pantries, will they be able to grow and distribute food from gardens they grow? And finally, if the city would consider "donating vacent lots" for community gardens, what impact would this have on the upkeep of what would otherwise be blight?

Cheryl
12/31/2014 05:43:04 am

It ALL still grows on trees, or in gardens ...the big corporate mafia boys and girls know that and that's exactly why they want to regulate it and charge you for YOUR labor with fee's and other nonsense charges that pay their salary and suburban dining expenses...Just ingore they're sha-nan-a-gens and grow , share , sell , cook , eat and eat some more , they'll never be able to afford enforcement of all the projects they want to micro manage and make MONEY off of...interesting it's always the rich feeding off the poor...

Edward S. Gault
12/31/2014 05:57:14 am

Soooo, Michigan is Republican, right? I'm not allowed to grow vegetables on my own property? Isn't that a violation of property rights that is a cherished Republican value? Wouldn't this ban against selling the vegetables constitute a restriction of free trade that Republicans nominally oppose?

wayne
12/31/2014 09:57:04 am

You let the commies run the streets, this is what you get.

Karen
12/31/2014 01:04:52 pm

Someone ought to 1. Give a copy of the Constitution to this city
council 2. Remind them the reason our forefathers came to this country from Great Britain was to get away from TYRANNTS such as them!

RHytonen
1/1/2015 03:34:31 am

but I'll bet when it comes up, the City Fathers will consider fracking under the whole city perfectly OK.

Karen
1/1/2015 08:02:42 am

It should also be noted that Muskegon fluoridates their water supply. Fluoridation has been known to make people complacent. First step is to get the fluoride out of the municipal water supply. Second is to take back their health and grow their own food and do what ever the people want to with it (eat it, sell it, give it away to the needy!!!!)

Belinda Fitzpatrick
1/1/2015 09:09:24 am

Very good point re the fluoridation. People should be able to water their gardens using the public water supply without adding fluoride to their plants or the environment. It is also bad that we end up with water ever is in the chem trails or hospital incineration if we collect rain water for our gardens. Our pets and livestock end up being fluoridated too. Like the book "Lead in our French Fries" the chemicals we intentionally buy that are by products do industrial waste usually contain other byproducts that are toxic. Since toxicity is in the dose Anh chemical that can be beneficial, ie. prevent tooth decay, should be administered in a manner that controls the dose. It makes no sense to administer fluoride in drinking water in a manner that does not manage the dose. Every chemical has a side effect. When we attempt better living through chemistry we need to use our brains and manage the dose.

Lynn Anger
1/1/2015 01:47:38 pm

Sounds like the city wants people to buy from grocery stores etc. for buisness. Yes you can buy organic in grocery stores, wish was cheaper for family health. I believe grocery stores make enough money through seasons without depriving home gardening fresh for a family and is taking away the fun for families to plant and teach children to grow vegetables

Karla Charles
1/1/2015 02:01:35 pm

Two steps backwards for mankind. What a waste of tax payers money. Our government should have better and bigger issues to resolve. Instead, it appears they prefer to prevent their tax payers from growing nourishing foods to sustain families and help other families in need! Shame on our local governments who are doing no better at their jobs than The house of representatives or our Congress.

Millie Zeiler
1/1/2015 09:27:05 pm

It's a sad world indeed when the government has the nerve to step in and say we cannot grow our own food. I see what they're doing. They're stripping away our ability to fend for ourselves which is the dumbest thing ever because when it'll come down to the big crunch (and it will) the government will not be there for you to put food on the table for you nor your family. Even in the Bible it emphasizes the importance of man being able to be self-sufficient. So why is the government so determined to force people to do otherwise? This is wrong, plain and simple. If a person wants to have a greenhouse running in their home, let them do so. If a person wants to have a little garden in their yard, let them do so. I don't understand how being a productive member of society, which is precisely what this is, would be considered a burden upon a community or city. Also, being able to grow and sell food locally is a good boost for local economy and even for local morale. But, then again, the government has not been remotely interested in doing what's best for the people for years now, most especially since Obama and his minions stepped into office. The government, even long before the Obama MISadministration jumped in, has steadily dumbed down the people in their country and has gone out of their way to strip any ounce of independence people have left. This is 100% UNCONSTITUTIONAL and it needs to not only be stopped, but reverse the total control of the nation back to where it rightfully belongs; THE PEOPLE!

Krystein Spencer
1/1/2015 09:48:35 pm

What I wrote to the City of Muskegon;

The news of your city choosing to ban people from growing and selling their own fruits and vegetables is fast spreading throughout the internet. Although I’m not a resident of your city I have to admit upon learning this ridiculous piece of news I am glad I am not. I was, however, planning to visit as I do have friends there. And, because of your goofy no-home garden idea they’re not looking to make a fast exit and I don’t blame them.

It’s bad enough the federal government has been steadily stripping away each individual’s rights and liberties, but when a city begins to do the exact same thing then this is not just sad, it’s tragic. People have a right to look out for themselves and for opportunities to bring in some sort of income for themselves. If you have people within your city that are capable of growing a garden and is willing to sell what they’ve grown locally, should you not support that instead of stopping it? You should be supporting every citizen in your city, not suppressing them – and the very suggestion of preventing anybody within your city to grow anything organic is precisely that. And it is wrong. It is also unconstitutional – you’re taking away a fundemental right from a human being and that is pathetic.

Instead of preventing people from growing their own gardens you should be encouraging them. By doing this you are helping each individual contribute that much more so towards their community and it’s actually doing your local environment a favor.

Granted, I’m just an outsider looking in, but even there I see what you’re thinking about doing is so very wrong. Had you thought about what would happen if there was a huge crisis and for some reason you need to rely on more locally grown and sold organics as opposed to relying on federal assistance? Considering the country’s situation and how people are more divided than ever and there is a growing number of nations and organizations that would love nothing more than see America fall into oblivion, the last thing you need to consider is taking away your people’s ability to look out for themselves should the need arise. And it will. Something as basic as gardening is not something you should even remotely consider taking away from your people. You should be encouraging it instead. Think about it. Why paint yourselves as another band of Obama’s minion that’s becoming more hated each day when you can do something really awesome and radical and prove to your people that you’re not another Hitler-wannabe? By supporting and encouraging your people to grow their own gardens and help out not just their personal economic situations, but boost the local economy by selling what they grow, you are telling your people and the world you are visionaries. What’s your preference? Minion Puppet or Local Hero?

martin nix link
1/2/2015 04:57:15 am

This is more anti-solar activity. They simply don't want people making their own energy, and forcing people to be dependent on their energy source. This is typical, it is the use of physical deprivation as a weapon for social control. There are so many anti-solar laws, such as laws anti-rain barrel collection, or restricting wind mills and solar collectors. Enough is enough. We got a millionaire club called Congress, that is only interested in making big oil rich...and this anti-farming law is just a pattern....that will be faught. The right to make your own energy needs to be a bill of right.

Paul
1/3/2015 07:49:06 am

Krystein, I agreed with most of what you wrote until the part about hating Obama and liking our president to Hitler. And of course flat out insulting Muskegon city officials. If you want to motivate don't start by insulting people or name calling. You had a really good message started and I was cheering you on until the minions part. Frankly your message will not be taken seriously by the city because of your personal political views got in the way. That's unfortunate and counter productive.

Paul
Michigan Organic Farmer

David Medendorp link
1/3/2015 11:57:21 am

I think there are many better ways for city goverment to spend there time and I doubt any of the farmers or stores would object to a little entrepenourship.when I was growing up my father and Great grandfather always had a large Garden as a learned about Gardening I grew a garden for my family and sold vegtables door to door in the neighborhood and had a vagtable and koolaid stand along the had a roadside vegetable stand this was a seasonal part-time business the profit was great and the demand for fresh, in-season vegetables was high. I would go door to door and my customers knew that they were fresh vegetables and did this from June until early September. As my business grew I bought from other local Farmer /Gardeners and resold there produce and in the fall sold pumpkins . I was able to buy my own cloths a bike and earned money towards my first car . Besides earning needed money and providing fresh vegtables to my neighbors I learned about operating a business. Supply and demand , presentation, That I had to work alond time before I was rewarded and that special helped me sell more. I learned how to eaern money by working for it and helped feed our family.


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